{"id":4750,"date":"2013-03-22T01:52:33","date_gmt":"2013-03-22T01:52:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/random-average.com\/?p=4750"},"modified":"2013-03-22T02:21:53","modified_gmt":"2013-03-22T02:21:53","slug":"life-in-eve-local-is-fine-and-heres-how-to-fix-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/2013\/03\/life-in-eve-local-is-fine-and-heres-how-to-fix-it\/","title":{"rendered":"Life in Eve: Local is Fine, and Here&#8217;s How to Fix It."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>First, a brief background, for the non-EvE players:<\/p>\n<p>Like most MMOs, Eve has a number of text-based chat channels built into its user interface. The ones likely to see the most use are whatever corporation and\/or alliance you&#8217;re part of, any player-made channels created for specific purposes or interests&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>And Local.<\/p>\n<p>Now, to the outsider, the concept of a &#8220;local channel&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem that big a deal: most games I&#8217;ve played have some version of this: a channel that can only be seen by the people currently visiting a particular city are common, for example (though there&#8217;s usually some question about whether or not anyone pays attention to it).<\/p>\n<p>In Eve, that Channel is called &#8220;Local.&#8221; It&#8217;s always on, always there, and always includes whomever is currently in the same solar system as you.<\/p>\n<p>The reason this matters (for the purposes of this post), is that all the channels in Eve have a Member List displayed alongside the chat window.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4751\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4751\" style=\"width: 343px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local-channel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-4751\" title=\"local channel\" src=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local-channel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"343\" height=\"287\" srcset=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local-channel.png 343w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local-channel-300x251.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 343px) 100vw, 343px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4751\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Like so.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>In some less-common situations, the member list only shows people who have actually spoken in that channel since you logged on, but in most cases, <strong><em>including Local in all of known space<\/em><\/strong>, the member list automatically updates to show everyone who&#8217;s currently in the same solar system.<\/p>\n<p>This means that, in Eve, within known space (wormholes work differently), the very second that anyone enters the same solar system you&#8217;re in, you know, thanks to Local.<\/p>\n<p>As a result, Local &#8212; specifically, Local&#8217;s member list &#8212; is more often used as an intelligence gathering tool than it is a means to chat with the unwashed masses of whatever backwater shithole you happen to be flying through at the moment.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4752\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4752\" style=\"width: 262px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-4752\" title=\"local2\" src=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"262\" height=\"313\" srcset=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local2.png 262w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/local2-251x300.png 251w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 262px) 100vw, 262px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4752\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">I actually shrink the window so that the member list is the only thing I see.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Not everyone likes this.<\/p>\n<p>There have been great fiery debates about whether or not Local&#8217;s member list should remain immediate (like it is now) or delayed (the way it works in Wormholes and some private channels, where no one knows you&#8217;re there unless you say something).<\/p>\n<p>Which led to this conversation today:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Man,&#8221; Em said. &#8220;I really wish we didn&#8217;t have automatic local out in the war zone. It&#8217;s so lame to have that much intel at your fingertips. It&#8217;d be so cool to see guys on directional scan in a complex and have NO idea of they were friendly or hostile &#8212; no Local list to compare it to and say &#8216;Well, I see three ships, and there are only two hostiles here and three friendlies, so it&#8217;s probably friendlies.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Sure,&#8221; I replied. &#8220;Though it <em>would<\/em> suck for us as well if they changed it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We&#8217;d cope,&#8221; Em said. &#8220;Hell, we already deal with that every day up in the wormhole.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Definitely, but that&#8217;s the wormhole. Things should work differently up there. I mean&#8230;&#8221; I pondered. &#8220;We&#8217;re in low security space, but it&#8217;s still <em>Empire<\/em> space, you know? The infrastructure is kind of messed up, but it&#8217;s still <em>functional<\/em>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Empire?&#8221; Em replied. &#8220;<em>Why<\/em> would the Amarr or Minmatar or&#8230; hell, anybody provide intel about their own troop movements to anyone and everyone who can see the Local member list?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Well&#8230; they wouldn&#8217;t,&#8221; I said. &#8220;But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s really up to them &#8212; that&#8217;s just part of the deal with the technology. I don&#8217;t think they control it.&#8221; I shrugged. &#8220;Maybe CONCORD controls it.&#8221; I frowned. &#8220;Actually, I think it&#8217;s tied to the stargates somehow &#8212; like they&#8217;re relays or something &#8212; which is why the member list breaks out by star system, and why there&#8217;s other channels like one just for the local constellation of systems you&#8217;re in, and why it works the same way in High sec and Low sec and Null sec &#8212; all the same stargate technology.&#8221; Finally, I added, &#8220;That&#8217;d be why it doesn&#8217;t work that way in wormhole space &#8212; no stargates.&#8221;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4760\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4760\" style=\"width: 550px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/gatetostar.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-4760\" title=\"gatetostar\" src=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/gatetostar.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" srcset=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/gatetostar.jpg 1280w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/gatetostar-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/gatetostar-1024x768.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4760\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bringing people together in more ways than one.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>There was a pause in the conversation. I turned back to the ship fitting I&#8217;d been assembling.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You know what would be cool?&#8221; Em said, voice almost dreamy.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I &#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;What would be cool,&#8221; he continued, &#8220;is if Local didn&#8217;t add you to the member list until you either used the channel&#8230; or used a Gate.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I stopped, turning that idea over, then offered my analysis. &#8220;Huh.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I mean&#8230;&#8221; it didn&#8217;t even seem as though he heard me. &#8220;If it&#8217;s all attached to the <em>stargate<\/em> tech, and you didn&#8217;t <em>use<\/em> a stargate to get there, then&#8230;&#8221; He shook his head. &#8220;MAN that would be cool.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Wormholes,&#8221; I said, picking up on the idea. &#8220;You could &#8212; I mean, when you dropped out of a wormhole into a system in known space&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;No one would know you were there,&#8221; Em completed the thought. &#8220;It&#8217;d make all those shitty class two systems with exits to Null sec <em>SO<\/em> much more fun.&#8221;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4757\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4757\" style=\"width: 550px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/wormhole.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-4757\" title=\"wormhole\" src=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/wormhole.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" srcset=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/wormhole.png 1680w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/wormhole-300x183.png 300w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/wormhole-1024x626.png 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1680px) 100vw, 1680px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4757\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">There&#39;s a hole in your sky...<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&#8220;It&#8217;d be like having a black-ops drop capability for people who can&#8217;t fly black-ops ships yet.&#8221; I blinked. &#8220;Actually&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8230; black-ops jump bridges bypass gates.&#8221; Em finished.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4758\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4758\" style=\"width: 550px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/widow.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-4758 \" title=\"widow\" src=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/widow.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" srcset=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/widow.jpg 653w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/widow-279x300.jpg 279w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 653px) 100vw, 653px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4758\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Widow likes the idea. (It&#39;s smiling - trust me.)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&#8220;Regular Titan bridges too,&#8221; I said. &#8220;I mean &#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8211; you&#8217;d see the beacon go up, but&#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8211; you wouldn&#8217;t know who came in, or how many, without more recon. You&#8217;d just know a jump bridge happened.&#8221;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4759\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4759\" style=\"width: 550px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/cyno-1.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-4759\" title=\"cyno-1\" src=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/cyno-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" srcset=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/cyno-1.jpg 750w, http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/cyno-1-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4759\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">&quot;Who left the door open?&quot;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>We were quiet for a while.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Wow,&#8221; I said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Not like wormholes,&#8221; Em said, &#8220;still it&#8217;s own thing, and for most people flying around, it&#8217;s basically like nothing really changed, because as soon as you use a gate to jump into system, you&#8217;re loaded into Local, but&#8230; better than it is now.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Yeah,&#8221; I agreed. I shook my head, blinking. &#8220;You know what?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re going to write about it.&#8221; Em sounded amused.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We need to tell people about this,&#8221; I replied. &#8220;This is a good idea.&#8221;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong>TL;DR:<\/strong> Wouldn&#8217;t it be cool if, in known space, you stayed off the Local member list if you could manage to bypass the stargate when you entered the system? As soon as you use a gate (or talk in Local), you show up, but until then&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Not quite how it works now. Neither is it the way it works in wormholes. Provides a really neat way to work around the current system, in-character.<\/p>\n<p>Dunno about you, but I like it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>First, a brief background, for the non-EvE players: Like most MMOs, Eve has a number of text-based chat channels built<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,4,7],"tags":[83],"class_list":["post-4750","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-actual-play","category-mmos","category-musing","tag-eve"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4750","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4750"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4750\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4764,"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4750\/revisions\/4764"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4750"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4750"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4750"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}