{"id":4117,"date":"2012-07-10T21:26:33","date_gmt":"2012-07-10T21:26:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/random-average.com\/?p=4117"},"modified":"2012-07-10T21:43:50","modified_gmt":"2012-07-10T21:43:50","slug":"life-in-eve-winning-eveonline","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/2012\/07\/life-in-eve-winning-eveonline\/","title":{"rendered":"Life in Eve: Winning #eveonline"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[Last week, I was on a trip out of town, and on my flight back, I managed to leave my EvE Notebook (an actual notebook in which I take notes for these posts) on the plane. I contacted their lost and found, got an automated &#8220;Don&#8217;t call us, we&#8217;ll call you&#8221; message, and have pretty much given up hope of seeing that particular notebook again. Which SUCKS both because I have to write the next couple weeks of posts using nothing more than my own shoddy memory, and because I was less than THREE PAGES from completely filling up and actually finishing a notebook for the second time in my life. Anyway, I&#8217;ve a new notebook, so off we go.]<\/p>\n<p>Rocinante&#8217;s engine detonates a split second after my pod ejects and I fling it toward the nearest sun. &#8220;Okay, did you get out?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Yeah,&#8221; CB&#8217;s voice is flat. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Your ship, or just your pod?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The pod. What happened back there?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Umm&#8230; you jumped the acceleration gate and landed on top of a Rupture, who was waiting for you.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I thought you&#8217;d already gone.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I shake my head. We had a number of Overview options available, and sometimes I think the one that hides nearby fleet members causes more harm than good. &#8220;I hadn&#8217;t. I didn&#8217;t jump until I realized you had, and by the time I landed, you were &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Dead.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re <em>not<\/em> dead. Your ship blew up. It&#8217;s a cheap frigate &#8212; we spend more on week of ammo than I did building that ship.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t like losing ships.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Then we should stop trying to find fights, because we&#8217;re going to lose a HELL of a lot more fights than we win. Let&#8217;s head back to the base, I have an idea.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The comms are silent for awhile. &#8220;Why&#8217;d you say you wanted to go looking for a fight if you thought are odds were so shitty?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Our odds are always going to be shitty, unless we start learning.&#8221; I reroute my path through Old Man Star to get back to the home system faster, dodging a gate camp in the process. &#8220;Only way to learn is fight, and fighting means losing ships. Hell, just getting a fight that isn&#8217;t a stupid blob of ships that make the whole thing meaningless is a win, as far as I&#8217;m concerned. Getting a fight is the <em>point<\/em>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Winning is the point,&#8221; CB counters. &#8220;For pretty much everyone.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Yes. Fine. True. Good point.&#8221; I enter the home system and aim for the station docking ring. &#8220;Lots of guys will fly around with another guy somewhere in the system providing fleet boosts. Or they&#8217;ve got a Falcon buddy ready to drop cloak and jam out anyone stupid enough to engage. Sure. Lots of guys, the only reason they&#8217;ll take a fight is because they believe they can win, and they <em>won&#8217;t<\/em> take the fight if the odds aren&#8217;t <em>totally<\/em> in their favor. Yes.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;And?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;And that&#8217;s not me. All I want is a fight &#8212; if I get one, I win. Period. Full-stop. Even if my ship blows up, because for me the hard part is just getting the fight.&#8221; I look over my ship hangar. &#8220;You still have that Rupture you named Huntard?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Yeah.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I swing the hangar arms over to unberth a Vexor. &#8220;Hop in &#8212; we&#8217;re going to go find that guy again.&#8221;<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re never going to find a fair fight,&#8221; CB points out. &#8220;Not in New Eden.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t &#8211;&#8221; I cut myself off. &#8220;I&#8217;m going after a guy in a Rupture with a Rupture AND a Vexor cruiser. I&#8217;m  obviously not looking for a fair fight &#8212; I&#8217;m looking for fights that aren&#8217;t pointless and stupid, where I can learn something useful.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Did we learn something useful in the last fight?&#8221; CB asks. &#8220;I blew up too fast to notice.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We learned we need to communicate better and not make assumptions about what the other guy&#8217;s doing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;And to not attack Ruptures in frigates?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Well&#8230;&#8221; I shrug. &#8220;Not to attack them in a pair of frigates who are trickling in one at a time, yeah. Kind of figure we already know that.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The last gate looms ahead of us, and we jump.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;He&#8217;s still in Local.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Yup. Let&#8217;s jump up to that acceleration gate again.&#8221; We do, but directional scan is clear. I extend the range and swing the beam around. &#8220;Ah. He&#8217;s down by the station. Stay here, let&#8217;s see if I can bait him out away from dock range. I warp down to the station and wave to the Rupture with a couple of my guns, but the pilot ignores the invitation to a fight and simply redocks when his shields start to get low. &#8220;No joy.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve got another wartarget in system,&#8221; CBs voice is already tense. &#8220;We should get out.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s just two,&#8221; I reply. &#8220;That&#8217;s still a good fight for us.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>I get only a grunt in reply, then: &#8220;The new guy&#8217;s in a Rupture, too.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Perfect. 2v2 cruiser brawl. Sounds fun.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Sounds like a good way to blow up.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Same thing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Another grunt. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/playing-a-game.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/playing-a-game.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"playing a game\" width=\"499\" height=\"774\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-4122\" srcset=\"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/playing-a-game.jpg 499w, https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/playing-a-game-193x300.jpg 193w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 499px) 100vw, 499px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The two of us warp from celestials to complexes to jump gates in a continual cycle until it seems as though we&#8217;ve managed to lure the two other pilots into some kind of action. It&#8217;s right about then that a third war target enters the system.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s three,&#8221; comments CB. &#8220;We should leave.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I let out a sigh that&#8217;s half growl. &#8220;He might be travelling through. He might be in a frigate. He might be an idiot. People fight outnumbered all the time. 3v2 isn&#8217;t a bad fight. We just &#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Ruptures on scan,&#8221; CB cuts in. &#8220;Both of them.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Get ready.&#8221; We&#8217;re on the acceleration gate into a complex both our ships can enter, but I hold. In the few seconds I take to consider our options, I see no reason not to fight the Ruptures right where we are, rather than leading them into the complex.<\/p>\n<p>As the rupture cruisers land, a Falcon force recon uncloaks and shows me why we should have jumped.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Ruptures are locking me up. Targeting the first &#8212; Fuck, I&#8217;m jammed.&#8221; CB barks. &#8220;And scrambled. And gone. Fuck.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Fucking falcon.&#8221; I&#8217;ve managed to get a flight of drones out, and when the Falcon jams me, they take off after the ship in defense of their master, but since I can&#8217;t lock him, I have no idea how much (if any) damage they&#8217;re doing to the other ship. &#8220;Did you get your pod out?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a second&#8217;s delay. &#8220;Yeah.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I barely hear him. On the off chance the Falcon misses a jam or the drones drive him away, I&#8217;m trying to stay moving, my armor repair units working into overheat to keep my ship intact in case I get a real chance to fight back.<\/p>\n<p>But I never do, and eventually my second ship of the night explodes.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m out. Let&#8217;s head back.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The local channel lights up.<\/p>\n<p><em>No plex running in our systems, boys,<\/em> comments one of the pilots.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Oh, that&#8217;ll work,&#8221; I mutter. &#8220;Now say &#8216;please&#8217;.&#8221;  I can&#8217;t help but key the local comms. &#8220;We weren&#8217;t looking for a plex. We were looking for a fight,&#8221; I reply. &#8220;Pity you brought the Falcon.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>We land on the star gate and jump, so any counter is lost on us.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We should have just left,&#8221; CB grumbles.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We should,&#8221; I reply, &#8220;have jumped into the complex. The accel gate wouldn&#8217;t have let that fucking Falcon in, and we&#8217;d have had a chance.&#8221; I grind my teeth, angry at no one but myself. &#8220;It was my stupid oversight. My mistake. Sorry.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no reply. We make the trip home in silence.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Lessons Learned<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Communicate. CB and I have known each other for 20 years, and sometimes that means we don&#8217;t talk when we should be, and don&#8217;t give each other heads up.<\/li>\n<li>Jump the accel gate. It helps filter down the opponents and control the fight, and if there&#8217;s a Falcon, it takes them out of the equation.<\/li>\n<li>There&#8217;s always a fucking Falcon.<\/li>\n<li>Fuck falcons.<\/li>\n<li>Ships are just ammo. Like ammunition, using a ship means losing the ship, either immediately or eventually. The only ship you&#8217;ll never lose is the one you never fly, and what&#8217;s the point of <em>that<\/em>?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Lastly: What you think of as winning is not going to be some other guy&#8217;s version of winning. Do the thing you like, enjoy yourself, and that&#8217;s winning, for you. It is a game, after all &#8211; fun is the point.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t mind losing ships &#8212; if I lost an Incursus and Vexor every evening I logged in and never made a single isk the whole time, I could still fly every night for many, many months.<\/p>\n<p>I <em>do<\/em> mind making stupid mistakes, like not assuming the third guy is flying a Falcon. In hindsight, of <em>course<\/em> he was in a Falcon. <\/p>\n<p>Still, stupid mistakes are good, because making them means I&#8217;m extra motivated not to make the same one again.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[Last week, I was on a trip out of town, and on my flight back, I managed to leave my<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,4],"tags":[83],"class_list":["post-4117","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-actual-play","category-mmos","tag-eve"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4117","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4117"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4117\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4129,"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4117\/revisions\/4129"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4117"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4117"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/randomaverage.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4117"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}